Tuesday, September 13, 2005
Dean Esmay Sees the Trees, and other flight 93 commentary
And oh yeah, I will have it known *I* was the first crackpot to assert the association, and make a map, showing the qibla in relationship to the Memorial. (I looked into it to show myself the memorial was NOT canted on the qibla. After I saw it was, I said so, and I made a map cause some guy on LGF said it was "piss-poor geography" to claim that the qibla is to the north east.) Oh well, It's a joy to be hidden, that's my motto. And probably for the best, considering the present state of my mostly dormant fluff-blog.
Paul Murdoch talks about the inspiration and intent of his design with the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. He was aware of concerns about the imagery; but he says it was concieved independant of any reference to the red crescent associated with Islam.
Dean Esmay thinks this is a kerfuffle, disapproves of complaint. I kind of agree about growing trend of the right to be as shrill and perpetually indignant. I disagree that It. Is. Just. A. Grove. Of. Maples. (so does Paul Murdoch, the architect)
I write him a sensible note in the comments.
Wretchard at the Belmot club takes note of Politicalities math, I don't get any credit. Fewer troll comments for me!
Malkin deftly avoids linking a fluffblog, too. I can't say I blame her. Her post, links, and extended comments on the memorial are worth a read.
Paul Murdoch talks about the inspiration and intent of his design with the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. He was aware of concerns about the imagery; but he says it was concieved independant of any reference to the red crescent associated with Islam.
Dean Esmay thinks this is a kerfuffle, disapproves of complaint. I kind of agree about growing trend of the right to be as shrill and perpetually indignant. I disagree that It. Is. Just. A. Grove. Of. Maples. (so does Paul Murdoch, the architect)
I write him a sensible note in the comments.
Wretchard at the Belmot club takes note of Politicalities math, I don't get any credit. Fewer troll comments for me!
Malkin deftly avoids linking a fluffblog, too. I can't say I blame her. Her post, links, and extended comments on the memorial are worth a read.
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Gee, isn't it funny how if you link the arms of the crescent as shown on Zombie's diagram, the line bisecting the arc goes way further north?
You and the Malkin end of Wingnuttia need a serious dose of Occam's Razor. No, this isn't a veiled threat of violence:
http://www.answers.com/occam%27s+razor&r=67
Ock·ham's razor also Oc·cam's razor (ŏk'əmz) n.
A rule in science and philosophy stating that entities should not be multiplied needlessly. This rule is interpreted to mean that the simplest of two or more competing theories is preferable and that an explanation for unknown phenomena should first be attempted in terms of what is already known. Also called law of parsimony.
You and the Malkin end of Wingnuttia need a serious dose of Occam's Razor. No, this isn't a veiled threat of violence:
http://www.answers.com/occam%27s+razor&r=67
Ock·ham's razor also Oc·cam's razor (ŏk'əmz) n.
A rule in science and philosophy stating that entities should not be multiplied needlessly. This rule is interpreted to mean that the simplest of two or more competing theories is preferable and that an explanation for unknown phenomena should first be attempted in terms of what is already known. Also called law of parsimony.
# posted by 
: 7:02 PM
: 7:02 PM
Apparently the jury's comments influenced the crescent too; this is from the Post-Gazette interview you linked to.
This is all part of an evil Islamic plot, right? Right?
Q. How did the first jury's comments shape the design?
A. One of the comments was we may want to consider bringing the maple trees and the walkway down from the ridge itself and in our February visit that comment became validated in a strong way. Our initial reaction was to come down 80 feet or so. We ended up coming even farther because we wanted to create not just the ring of maples but we added 40 groves of red and sugar maples. We have a roadway that allows you to come around it, and behind that we have more trees, a lot of which are evergreens. There's a lot more layering than we initially had, so it's more powerful and more buffered and protected. And you would have the evergreens in the winter, so you would still feel the curved form.
This is all part of an evil Islamic plot, right? Right?
Q. How did the first jury's comments shape the design?
A. One of the comments was we may want to consider bringing the maple trees and the walkway down from the ridge itself and in our February visit that comment became validated in a strong way. Our initial reaction was to come down 80 feet or so. We ended up coming even farther because we wanted to create not just the ring of maples but we added 40 groves of red and sugar maples. We have a roadway that allows you to come around it, and behind that we have more trees, a lot of which are evergreens. There's a lot more layering than we initially had, so it's more powerful and more buffered and protected. And you would have the evergreens in the winter, so you would still feel the curved form.
# posted by : 7:06 PM
: 7:06 PM
You realize I linked to Murdoch at the Post-Gazette, in the above post, right? I think it's pretty clear you haven't read much of what I've written on the subject.
One thing I can say for certain, nobody thinks the design of the memorial is an Islamic plot.
My thoughts are here .
One thing I can say for certain, nobody thinks the design of the memorial is an Islamic plot.
My thoughts are here .
I know you linked to Murdoch; that's how I found the article. Read my last comment.
I've read everything you've posted here on the subject. I guess I should have been slightly more precise - nudged my qibla angle over another degree, so to speak.
It's not an Evil Islamic Plot; it's a Plot to Make Islamists Feel Good. Or to Hail Islamists. Or to Mock The Flight 93 Victims.
Or something like that. I really can't figure out what Wingnuttia thinks it is supposed to mean.
And I don't really understand what you are trying to say. Do you believe it's intentionally pointing to Mecca or not? If not, why post the animated jpeg which proves a point you don't believe?
After reading all of the tripe that's been published (elsewhere) on this issue, one can't help but have an image of a diabolical Landscape Architect sitting in his studio on a dark, rainswept night, cackling as he places a protractor on a map, marks out an angle, and v-e-r-y c-a-r-e-f-u-l-l-y inscribes an Arc around that angle. Yes, a Fateful Arc, the ass-end of which points to ... Mecca!
I've read everything you've posted here on the subject. I guess I should have been slightly more precise - nudged my qibla angle over another degree, so to speak.
It's not an Evil Islamic Plot; it's a Plot to Make Islamists Feel Good. Or to Hail Islamists. Or to Mock The Flight 93 Victims.
Or something like that. I really can't figure out what Wingnuttia thinks it is supposed to mean.
And I don't really understand what you are trying to say. Do you believe it's intentionally pointing to Mecca or not? If not, why post the animated jpeg which proves a point you don't believe?
After reading all of the tripe that's been published (elsewhere) on this issue, one can't help but have an image of a diabolical Landscape Architect sitting in his studio on a dark, rainswept night, cackling as he places a protractor on a map, marks out an angle, and v-e-r-y c-a-r-e-f-u-l-l-y inscribes an Arc around that angle. Yes, a Fateful Arc, the ass-end of which points to ... Mecca!
# posted by : 8:30 PM
: 8:30 PM
Hi Sarah,
You ain't hidden any more. Added you to my bookmarks and will read what looks like a very thoughtful site at length when I have time...
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You ain't hidden any more. Added you to my bookmarks and will read what looks like a very thoughtful site at length when I have time...
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